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The Firing Line: 07/06/09

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Published: Monday, July 6, 2009

Updated: Monday, July 6, 2009

When columnists are self-righteous

Nick Prelosky’s July 2 column “When guns are safe” saddens me as someone who teaches rhetoric. Literally none of the evidence he provides actually supports the conclusion he draws.

First off, he says that during the 1966 Tower shooting, people ran home to get their guns to return fire at the sniper.  Concealed handguns would have been of no use in this situation, as only rifles would be effective in aiming at the top of the Tower — and I pray the day will never come when people casually wander college campuses with rifles at the ready.

The scenario as a whole is just inapplicable to arguments for concealed carry.

Prelosky admits that statistics show armed civilians do not perform well in crisis situations and tries to dismiss the potentially fatal error of the civilian who went up the Tower with police after the shooter, Charles Whitman.

The only evidence he has to counter these startling facts is that the police thanked the civilians who helped them on that day. Even assuming this was not just lip service, we should realize that the subsequent development of SWAT teams carrying specialized weapons has changed our society drastically.  Police in a similar situation today would almost certainly forcibly eject any citizens with rifles from the area — not matter how well-intentioned — to prevent them from being targets or getting in the way.

Whitman obtained weapons legally when he was in a stable frame of mind and later used them to commit heinous acts. Why do gun rights activists like Prelosky continue to ignore facts like this when they argue that concealed carry permits would not make those heinous acts all the easier to commit?

I have no doubt that the vast majority of concealed carry permit holders would never use their weapons for evil. But I don’t want them acting as vigilantes either. What happens if a madman uses a gun inside a building and the police arrive to see a room full of people holding their own legally obtained handguns?

— Brian Gatten
English PhD student

 

UT needs vigilante law

In response to Roman McAllen’s July 2 firing line, “Lax law enforcement,” it is not the responsibility of the police to protect individuals, according to the 1981 Supreme Court case Warren v. DC. The fact is, law enforcement can’t be in all places at all times.

Universities in Utah and the Appalachians have taken proactive steps to help individuals with concealed hand gun licenses protect themselves by allowing them to carry on campus. The University of Texas should implement the same rule if it is serious about campus safety.

— Justo Montoya
Spanish junior
Member of Young Americans for Liberty

 

Improve safety without arming students

In his July 2 editorial, “When guns are safe,” Nick Prelosky wrote that students should “consider the fact that the most notorious incident of gun related violence in our school’s history would have been far worse had it not been for students who were armed.” He writes this to justify allowing students to carry concealed handguns, while the civilians involved in the Tower shooting were armed with rifles — which would not be permitted by last session’s proposed legislation.

Prelosky also neglects several other important facts. First of all, the Tower shooting motivated the nation-wide creation of SWAT teams; prior to that incident, police did not have the types of weapons necessary to return fire at a shooter on top of the UT Tower. That is no longer the case.

Indeed, the UT Tower shooting is an example of why concealed handguns would be useless in a campus shooting. Joe Driver, one of the authors of the guns on campus bill, argued concealed handguns might deter a suicidal student. Even could we use threat of death to deter murder-suicides, a shooter fearing armed response would likely resort to sniping or bombing — attacks against which handguns are impotent. 

The author fails to note the irony in his statement that “Austin learned that day that guns make people safer.” The problem was created by a student with a gun — a student who was, at least in theory, responsible. That student also had a psychological impairment, which he had reported to a UT psychiatrist. The shooter even warned the psychiatrist that he felt like going up in the Tower and shooting people.

I propose that instead of arming students, we should be focusing on taking the guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. The editorial’s author seems to agree with this statement.

Indeed, Rick Perry just signed into law HB 3352 — passed unanimously by the Texas legislature — which compels the state to report mental health adjudications to the Brady background check system. Several states have moved to close loopholes which allow guns to be purchased through private sales and at gun shows without background checks; such loopholes permitted the Columbine shooters to obtain their weapons. This same loophole, the so-called gun show loophole, remains open in Texas.

Campuses are extraordinarily safe places. Even factoring in school shootings, these gun-free zones are vastly safer than off-campus areas where guns are permitted. There are many things to be done which can improve student safety further, but arming students is not one of them.

— John Woods
Cell and molecular biology Ph.D. student
Graduate student representative, SG

 

Brack tract is indispensable

There are very few sites universally recognized as indispensable to an urban environment.  One of those sites must include green space, particularly large urban reservoirs of biodiversity that can be studied and appreciated.

Brackenridge Field Lab is the University of Texas' most useful and utilized field station. 

The New York firm Cooper-Robertson has proposed plans to develop the Brackenridge tract that entirely ignore UT’s recommendations and needs. I would hope that in the coming months and years Austin's and UT's priorities see to it that the value of Brackenridge Field Lab, with its continued service to science and education, outweighs the short sighted fiscal concerns of today and that plans to re-envision the tract along Lake Austin preserves what I and so many other scientists and educators have considered the single most valuable asset to field biologists in Austin.

— Barrett Klein
Integrative biology graduate student

 

Comments

13 comments
Well Informed
Mon Jul 13 2009 10:20
@Not an idiot: You have NO CLUE about the IRA if you make comments like that.
Not an idiot
Sun Jul 12 2009 00:01
@Yotsuba: You're saying people must choose between violent resistance and being oppressed? Have you ever heard of Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr.? Remember how well violent resistance worked for the IRA and the PLO? At least try to remember some history before you make stupid comments like that.

And as for the rest of you conservative commenters, half of you are totally brain dead, and the other half of you can't make a point without sounding like complete a**holes.

Yotsuba
Wed Jul 8 2009 12:24
"This is insane. If the citizens had been armed, a lot more people would be dead right now."

So what you're saying is that you'd rather have people live in tyranny without resistance than to liberate themselves using the necessary means. I always knew you were a fascist.

Rudy Kohn
Tue Jul 7 2009 13:10
Nice. Paraphrasing: Because I can think of some cases in which concealed carry is unhelpful, concealed carry is never helpful. I'm so tired of hearing this argument from people who have irrational fears of inanimate objects in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Carry of firearms by law-abiding citizens is the best way to protect the safety of said citizens. Crazy and/or bad people will do bad things whether you want them to or not. Preparedness is the best method for avoiding victimization, whether it be preparedness for fire, flood, or criminal attack.

However, the real travesty is that your type would divest me of my right to defend my life outside of an ever-shrinking sphere, until no such action is permitted. If my right to life is not important enough to permit me to defend it, just how much weight do my other rights have?

In a sane world, the measures I take for my self-defense would be none of your business, and the same would apply to your measures and my business. Simply carrying a weapon harms no one, and no, irrational fears of weapons are not "harm," they are entirely a problem in your mental state.

Grant
Tue Jul 7 2009 10:59
Congratulations, John. You've addressed an argument completely tangential to your eye-roller of a letter instead of all of the other arguments that come at you directly and on topic. This is the written equivalent of "look over there!" Why spend the time to comment if you won't even defend the tripe you continue to inflict upon us? Then again, the theory or practice of defense doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
John Woods
Tue Jul 7 2009 10:11
"How about Iranians? You would have seen a lot less police brutality in Iran if the citizens were armed."

This is insane. If the citizens had been armed, a lot more people would be dead right now. The government would have brought in snipers, tanks, etc, and claimed they were putting down a revolt. An unarmed, peaceful protest can never be spun as a revolt.

You seem to think guns will solve all your problems. It makes me sad for you.

UT Austin Student
Tue Jul 7 2009 00:37
Recently it was pointed out that the Daily Texan shouldn't endorse candidates because some funding comes from students, and it would be like a student endorsing their opponent.

Can we also stop the paper being bias and printing utter nonsense about guns? And let's just stop letting John Woods spew garbage? I'm sick and tired of seeing part of my tuition effectively being thrown down the drain.

Peter
Mon Jul 6 2009 23:49
John Woods is wrong again: "Campuses are extraordinarily safe places. Even factoring in school shootings, these gun-free zones are vastly safer than off-campus areas where guns are permitted."

Gun free zones are safe havens for criminals to assault weaponless victims.

Furthermore, removing guns from law abiding citizens is the first step towards a totalitarian regime. Do you think North Koreans are allowed to have guns?

What about Cubans?

How about Iranians? You would have seen a lot less police brutality in Iran if the citizens were armed.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

Jordan Schmittou
Mon Jul 6 2009 23:10
John Woods, just because you say a lie(s) over and over doesn't make it (them) true. Also, I'll note that you failed to mention that one of the cops in the Charles Whitmore shooting specifically said that the armed citizens deserved to be credited.
Grant
Mon Jul 6 2009 21:51
John Woods simply can't resist forming a hysterical characterization of the conversation. Nobody is discussing "arming students," we're talking about legislation lifting a restriction on the ability of students to arm themselves for defensive purposes. Perhaps he also thinks that since Roe v. Wade was decided, pregnant women were forced to have abortions. John has previously asserted (but never defended his assertion) that defensive weapons use is impossible in the comments section of his factually incorrect guest column. It's probably painful for John to imagine that any of the 32 victims at Virginia Tech may have been able to stop their own murders if his nanny state predecessors hadn't disarmed them. Frankly, I'm not interested in John's pain. I'm interested in the fact that a person detached from the reality of defensive weapons use would so vigorously lobby to destroy the liberty of his fellow students. That the Daily Texan would again expose us to his blather on this topic is reprehensible, but not particularly surprising.
Reiterpallasch
Mon Jul 6 2009 20:55
"as only rifles would be effective in aiming at the top of the Tower"

It's called "Suppressing fire," genius.

jeff Shi
Mon Jul 6 2009 20:51
The so-called "gun show loophole" isn't responsible for Columbine, John. If you even did a morsel of research you would have found out that the real problem was straw purchasing and selling firearms to MINORS.
Stu Chisholm
Mon Jul 6 2009 03:07
Mr. Woods is incorrect; there is no "gun show loophole" and the Columbine shooters didn't obtain their weapons through such a scenario. Instead, they got a friend who had a clean record to buy guns for them. This is known as a "straw purchase" and is already highly illegal. If you do go to a gun show and try to buy a handgun, the rules for FFL dealers are identical to those in stores; a background check WILL be required and performed. What has some folk's panties in a wad is the fact that a private citizen who already owns a gun and brings it to the show to sell it might sell it to another citizen -- all perfectly legal, and could happen anywhere, gun show not required -- that gun control advocates want to stop. Yet they aren't really concerned with safety, because they attack the gun shows instead of proposing that Joe Average be permitted a one time access to the NICS system to perform his own background check, rather than going through an FFL dealer (and paying them a fee). Do not fool yourself; people are playing politics with guns from the OTHER side, too.

That said, I agree that this was a poor example of why concealed carry should be permitted on campus. A person has a right to defend themselves, and attacks DO happen on campus. It's that simple. The behavior of licensees is exemplary and, in fact, have an even better track record of responsibility with their firearms than police. No sane, logical rationale can be used to deny people their right to self-defense no matter where they are.







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