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Groups face off on health care

Timely debate on merits of reform leaves some unmoved

By Jordan Haeger

Daily Texan Staff

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Published: Friday, October 30, 2009

Updated: Friday, October 30, 2009

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Republican Christian Collins, a government and journalism junior, and Democrat Garrett Mize, a government and religious studies senior, debate health care at the Graduate School of Business Building on Thursday evening.

The words flew Thursday night as members of College Republicans and University Democrats debated health care reform, but some students in the audience were unimpressed.

The two groups met in the Graduate School of Business to debate what changes, if any, should be made to the U.S. health care system.

University Democrats argued for swift reform to make health care accessible to every American, while College Republicans argued for more delay to discuss the implications of new reforms.

University Democrats debater Doug Luippold said health care is such a big issue because no one knows when he or she may need treatment or what it would cost.

The College Republicans argued that the public option, which would be open to some Americans without insurance, would undermine competition from private insurance companies and the free-market system.

“We do need reform, but not the public option,” said College Republicans debater Colin Harris. “Competition works.”

The debaters’ passion did not necessarily translate into informative commentary, according to students in the audience. Management senior Alex Ferraro, who has followed the national health care debate closely, said he did not learn much from the debate.

But psychology sophomore Arielle Ennis said the debate was helpful for each side to strengthen its stances.

“It’s important to get the opposing side’s view because then you are better equipped to argue with them,” she said.

The Democrats argued that there are several industries in which private companies flourish despite having public competition, including education and mail delivery.

“Republicans want to delay change, delay reform,” said University Democrats debater Grace Zheng. “They don’t want to piss off businesses.”

Garrett Mize, a University Democrats debater, said military health care coverage, which is free or subsidized to all members, is the “golden standard” by which all government-run agencies should be measured.

Both groups agreed that the government can efficiently run a medical coverage plan, but Republicans voiced concerns about taxing the wealthiest members of society to pay for health insurance.

Republican debater Christian Collins said the government should not force some Americans to pay more to enact health care reform because the terms “rich” and “poor” are subjective.

“It is fair that wealthy people who have benefited the most from society should have to give back to it at a greater level,” Luippold said.

The Republicans argued for the revision of laws regarding medical malpractice. If doctors don’t have to worry about being sued, they will perform more efficiently and at a lower cost, Republicans said.

Tort reform laws have already been put in place, and only reduced medical care spending by one-half percent, Democrats said.

Many of the students at the debate will soon be buying their own health insurance for the first time, said David Warner, a UT health and social policy professor.

Warner said it is important for students to debate health care because “they’ll be paying for it.” 

Comments

12 comments
Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire
Tue Nov 3 2009 12:10
Everyone agrees health care cost is too high. Regulation at no cost to taxpayers includes (1) remove insurance company anti-trust protection, (2) tort law reform, and (3) aggressive prosecution of health care fraud. Obamacare is not about regulation at no cost to taxpayers. Obamacare is about spending a TRILLION dollars for a government take-over of 1/6 of the U.S. economy while protecting insurance industry anti-trust exemption, enriching tort ambulance-chasers, and accepting fraud as a 'cost of doing business'. Hell Yes, past administrations were bad actors; but Obama promised "Change" and transparency. Thus far the Obamacare process is obscure. Obama "Change" means spending TRILLIONS of borrowed money on the mother of all entitlements. Remember this lie?

"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year... which includes a 98 percent of small-business owners, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class! You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime." Barack Hussein Obama, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm, Barack Hussein Obama...

Your name
Tue Nov 3 2009 09:28
Healthcare reform is more about regulation, cost control (esp for sky rocketing insurance premiums) and accessibility. That doesn't cost the tax payer anything. A public option (if it's included) would compete with the monoplistic private insurance. The US is in the prehistoric ages. It exempts the insurance industry from being told that it can't behave predatorily. No one let Microsoft be exempt , so why does the entire insurance industry get a free pass.

When you have AIG getting tax payer bailouts, it is time someone do something to quell the fiction that private insurance reins. Bush was a big spender-on irresponsible industries. Government keeps coming to the rescue and republicans don't mind as long as it is a giant industry instead of the people. GOP is not dealing in reality.

The

Tooth fairy doesn't exist
Sun Nov 1 2009 01:30
Your name,"I'd rather have Obamacare and pay less for health insurance . . ." I'd rather the tooth fairy pay the TRILLION dollar cost, too. But, unfortunately, the tooth fairy doesn't exist in the real world. Doctors will retire early instead of accepting MEDICARE rates for every patient instead of just the elderly. New persons inclined to be a doctor will choose a different profession rather than work their entire professional life for what Obamacare decides they can earn. Obamacare will cause doctor shortages, long waiting lines, and rationing health care that already exist in Canada and Britain.
Your name
Sat Oct 31 2009 13:50
I'd rather have "Obamacare and pay less for health insurance than have insurance corporations tack on another 20% to my costs only to then have them drop me when I get sick. Really, it's not even a contest. Im paying it through taxes and getting a better rate or continue with conservative idiocy and pay more. BTW, all you UT employees who won't be getting merit raises this year its because your insurance companies are getting them. SO call up your insurance company to thank him for getting your merit raise.
xxx
Sat Oct 31 2009 06:51
I will say the Republicans were pretty outrageous, one guy dressed up in a lab coat and wore a surgical mask for the debate.
No tooth fairy
Sat Oct 31 2009 00:44
A 21st century civilization needs to practice basic economics and fiscal responsibility. Money that does not exist cannot be spent. Living on borrowed money is financial suicide. The U.S. cannot survive ever increasing trillions of debt. And, there is no tooth fairy to bail out the U.S.
We the People
Fri Oct 30 2009 19:01
Reform is coming. People will benefit from some modernization and anti trust except status removal from the insurance industries. A 21st century civilization needs to improve healthcare from the top , down, and bottom, up.
attendee
Fri Oct 30 2009 16:05
What facts were dismissed? What questions were ignored? As far as making faces is concerned, don't take it personally. He was probably just thinking about how ugly democrats are.
attendee.
Fri Oct 30 2009 14:01
I cannot believe how immature and discourteous the Republicans were. They were dismissive of facts, ignored questions, and that one guy in the middle just sat there making faces and remarks while others were talking. Big children, all of them.
Your name
Fri Oct 30 2009 12:55
"Both groups agreed that the government can efficiently run a medical coverage plan, but Republicans voiced concerns about taxing the wealthiest members of society to pay for health insurance."

-This CONSERVATIVE is still skeptical about the governments' ability to run such a program, regardless of what Republicans or Democrats say.

Barack Hussein Obama
Fri Oct 30 2009 09:56
P.S. That's right . . . the tooth fairy will be paying for all Obamacare.
Barack Hussein Obama
Fri Oct 30 2009 09:49
David Warner said it is important for students to debate health care because “they’ll be paying for it.” ---- Professor Warner has misspoken; no one will pay for anything. I have always said: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year... which includes a 98 percent of small-business owners, you will not see your taxes increase one single dime under my plan. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax, no tax. We don't need to raise taxes on the middle class! You will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat, not one single dime."






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